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There are good bargains at any point in time. Let us assume that i just got to know about NSE last week, does it mean that i should not buy stocks because the index has moved?. People move in and out of markets. I have a son that is about 7 years. Should he have bought when the index was 20,000?.

Btw, why did you not buy when NSE was started and the index was at 0. A market is a free entry and free exit place. There will always be people in the market even if the index goes to a billion.
The index was 20,000 about 30 months ago. I was only referring to those who ran away from the market when opportunities were beckoning on them.

There will always be opportunities and mugus as we had people who bought FBN at N40, OANDO at N120, Transcorp at N8, Wema Bank at N10, Intercontinental at over N40 some few years ago.
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There are good bargains at any point in time. Let us assume that i just got to know about NSE last week, does it mean that i should not buy stocks because the index has moved?. People move in and out of markets. I have a son that is about 7 years. Should he have bought when the index was 20,000?.

Btw, why did you not buy when NSE was started and the index was at 0. A market is a free entry and free exit place. There will always be people in the market even if the index goes to a billion.
There can never be good bargain at every point in time, you should only learn how to value a stock or a company. When the all share index exceeded 60,000 in 2008 some of us knew that the market was overheated and overbought but we thought the party will continue.
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I intend to control an insurance company before the end of the decade, these guys are gigantic investment firms and in the right hands would do wonders. So to me liquidity is irrelevant
Let's hook up and discuss this further, we have a common interest and I believe we can do it.
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There can never be good bargain at every point in time, you should only learn how to value a stock or a company. When the all share index exceeded 60,000 in 2008 some of us knew that the market was overheated and overbought but we thought the party will continue.
There's always a good bargain you just have to expand your horizon, I recently discussed dollar denominated bonds not because I intend to buy anytime soon buy because I believe that by the time oil prices fall and our market is fully pumped the best asset to hold would be dollars. So basically, expand your horizons by reading and asking questions and you'll always find a good asset
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There can never be good bargain at every point in time, you should only learn how to value a stock or a company. When the all share index exceeded 60,000 in 2008 some of us knew that the market was overheated and overbought but we thought the party will continue.
I disagree.
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There's always a good bargain you just have to expand your horizon, I recently discussed dollar denominated bonds not because I intend to buy anytime soon buy because I believe that by the time oil prices fall and our market is fully pumped the best asset to hold would be dollars. So basically, expand your horizons by reading and asking questions and you'll always find a good asset
There will always be good bargain to invest in, but there will not always be good bargain on a stock exchange, real estate or business. It is left to an investor to determine which asset class to invest on at any point in time.

My response was to what Migiet said, that bargains will always be available on NSE.
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I disagree.
No problem. What bargain did you see on NSE when the all share index reached almost 66,000. Almost all the stocks were overvalued.
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There will always be good bargain to invest in, but there will not always be good bargain on a stock exchange, real estate or business. It is left to an investor to determine which asset class to invest on at any point in time.

My response was to what Migiet said, that bargains will always be available on NSE.
What is not a bargain to you will be a bargain to others. Do not forget that people invest for different reasons. My wife does not mind buying First Bank at N17. To her it is a good bargain because she is investing for the future and retirement. I can also buy First Bank for my kids at that price instead of leaving the money in a savings account at an interest rate of 3%. The first Bank iam buying for them is for the next 10-15 years. So it depends on one's investment objectives.

If you stopped buying 6 weeks ago, why did you stopped?. Why did you not stopped 3 months ago. There were those that stopped 2,3,4 etc months ago.
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What is not a bargain to you will be a bargain to others. Do not forget that people invest for different reasons. My wife does not mind buying First Bank at N17. To her it is a good bargain because she is investing for the future and retirement. I can also buy First Bank for my kids at that price instead of leaving the money in a savings account at an interest rate of 3%. The first Bank iam buying for them is for the next 10-15 years. So it depends on one's investment objectives.

If you stopped buying 6 weeks ago, why did you stopped?. Why did you not stopped 3 months ago. There were those that stopped 2,3,4 etc months ago.

I saw opportunity to invest in another asset class that was selling for a very good bargain. Imagine having the opportunity to buy a plot of land in a good area ketu for less than 5M.
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No problem. What bargain did you see on NSE when the all share index reached almost 66,000. Almost all the stocks were overvalued.
I bought Nestle and NB at the peak then, and they turned out to be bargains at the present prices now!
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What is not a bargain to you will be a bargain to others. Do not forget that people invest for different reasons. My wife does not mind buying First Bank at N17. To her it is a good bargain because she is investing for the future and retirement. I can also buy First Bank for my kids at that price instead of leaving the money in a savings account at an interest rate of 3%. The first Bank iam buying for them is for the next 10-15 years. So it depends on one's investment objectives.

If you stopped buying 6 weeks ago, why did you stopped?. Why did you not stopped 3 months ago. There were those that stopped 2,3,4 etc months ago.

Even if your are buying for the next 40 years, the price paid for an investment is very important. As a matter of fact, FBN is still bargain at N20. if the price is wrong it will take you a long time to recoup your investment.
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I saw opportunity to invest in another asset class that was selling for a very good bargain. Imagine having the opportunity to buy a plot of land in a good area ketu for less than 5M.
You cannot win this argument because investors have different investment objectives and the word bargain is subjective, it varies from person to person.

I wonder why you will consider a land of #5m at Ketu as a bargain, when you can buy "in the new lagos" behind Lagos Business School at #3m!

(this is another perspective)
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You cannot win this argument because investors have different investment objectives and the word bargain is subjective, it varies from person to person.

I wonder why you will consider a land of #5m at Ketu as a bargain, when you can buy "in the new lagos" behind Lagos Business School at #3m!

(this is another perspective)

You will flip in the next 12 months. It is a built up area, and similar land goes for 12 million in the area.

I doubt if you can get genuine land at Lagos business school for 3 million.
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You cannot win this argument because investors have different investment objectives and the word bargain is subjective, it varies from person to person.

I wonder why you will consider a land of #5m at Ketu as a bargain, when you can buy "in the new lagos" behind Lagos Business School at #3m!

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Pa Ewumi, that is the answer to your question. Remember that not everybody can raise N5 million for land in Nigeria, so what should they do? I don't want to go into technicalities but if I knew half of what I know now in 2008, I will be rolling in millions.
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You cannot win this argument because investors have different investment objectives and the word bargain is subjective, it varies from person to person.

I wonder why you will consider a land of #5m at Ketu as a bargain, when you can buy "in the new lagos" behind Lagos Business School at #3m!

(this is another perspective)
That axis is also behind Abraham Adesanya estate, a twin bungalow goes for between 25 million top 30 million Naira on a less than a plot of land and the place is a flood plain.

The minimum price for a plot of land in Ajah is 10 million Naira, Lagos business school is less than 2 minutes drive from Ajah.

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Pa Ewumi, that is the answer to your question. Remember that not everybody can raise N5 million for land in Nigeria, so what should they do? I don't want to go into technicalities but if I knew half of what I know now in 2008, I will be rolling in millions.
Happy new year KOD.

I was fully invested in the stock market. I did not have all the money, i was able to raise 50% and got an interest free loan from my relative.
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Happy new year KOD.

I was fully invested in the stock market. I did not have all the money, i was able to raise 50% and got an interest free loan from my relative.
What is good for the goose may not be good for the gander. Regardless of what happens to the market today or tomorrow, I will keep buying stocks from the NSE. There are always bargains, if you open your eyes.

If more than 25% of your income comes from the stock market then that is another issue but for some of us who don't even depend on the market for any kind of income, we have a different case, we can take on more risk and can keep buying with the long term goal. Different situations, different tastes.
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What is good for the goose may not be good for the gander. Regardless of what happens to the market today or tomorrow, I will keep buying stocks from the NSE. There are always bargains, if you open your eyes.

If more than 25% of your income comes from the stock market then that is another issue but for some of us who don't even depend on the market for any kind of income, we have a different case, we can take on more risk and can keep buying with the long term goal. Different situations, different tastes.
Happy new year KOD.

I was fully invested in the stock market. I did not have all the money, i was able to raise 50% and got an interest free loan from my relative


I am still invested in the market. I stopped buying 6 weeks ago, due to lack of funds and emerging opportunities in other investment outlets.

Me sef na long term investor.
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Hmmm..........Is NEM still favoured
as today I see a decline in price
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