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Old 22nd November 2012, 12:21 PM
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Couldn't have said it any better. We want less 'action' more outcomes!


That's the problem! Associating activity with results. You could run keep running round a loop and get tired doing so. While you might have covered miles round the loop, in terms of your displacement, you don't next to nothing.


Of course DAM is the personification of incompetence in this govt. 3 independent commitees have indicted her handing of the ministry. Corruption and incompetence are bad, but the perception of either is worse. If the people perceive you are incompetent or corrupt, even if not, you are finished (because for reforms to work, they have to be properly sequenced and you need the buy-in of the people). DAM has got to a point where she can't be taken seriously. By tying himself to her, Jonathan continues to be perceived as weak, indecisive, aloof and he takes personal/ethnic loyalties above national interests.
DAM presents a very easy shot against this govt, so although critics want her sacked, her continued stay is actually a gift. Sacking DAM will keep some quiet for a while, but then again, it won't be fun


Farmers doing well? With the floods? The price of their products has gone up because most of their crops were wiped out in the floods. Unfortunately, the price increase will not make up for the shortfall. Nosa, I hail you!


Yes sir like any network of networks, the size of one single network does not determine the overall size of the Network. The Internet is a good example.


Of course, he's done some good as i explained earlier. However, the main issues have been left undone. getting an 'A' in Yoruba and PE while scoring an 'E' or 'F' in Biology, Chemistry etc won't anyone to study Medicine!


Don't zombies also say SLS has a northern agenda and that he planned to sell the rescued banks to his friends? But then again, let's not take zombies seriously
What if what i want to read is BA Yoruba, what concerns me with getting a result in Biology and Chemistry?. Must i read Medicine?. You only need 5 credits to read any course and you are require to enroll for 8 subjects. So doing Biology and Chemistry could just be to fulfill the requirements but not to make you go and read Medicine. The trick is always to focus on the subjects that are needed for the course you want to read. The rest na excess which can be discarded. If i want to go and read Engineering, i can decide to enroll for Biology not to pass it but just to know how the reproductive organs are discussed in class. .
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Couldn't have said it any better. We want less 'action' more outcomes!


That's the problem! Associating activity with results. You could run keep running round a loop and get tired doing so. While you might have covered miles round the loop, in terms of your displacement, you don't next to nothing.


Of course DAM is the personification of incompetence in this govt. 3 independent commitees have indicted her handing of the ministry. Corruption and incompetence are bad, but the perception of either is worse. If the people perceive you are incompetent or corrupt, even if not, you are finished (because for reforms to work, they have to be properly sequenced and you need the buy-in of the people). DAM has got to a point where she can't be taken seriously. By tying himself to her, Jonathan continues to be perceived as weak, indecisive, aloof and he takes personal/ethnic loyalties above national interests.
DAM presents a very easy shot against this govt, so although critics want her sacked, her continued stay is actually a gift. Sacking DAM will keep some quiet for a while, but then again, it won't be fun


Farmers doing well? With the floods? The price of their products has gone up because most of their crops were wiped out in the floods. Unfortunately, the price increase will not make up for the shortfall. Nosa, I hail you!


Yes sir like any network of networks, the size of one single network does not determine the overall size of the Network. The Internet is a good example.


Of course, he's done some good as i explained earlier. However, the main issues have been left undone. getting an 'A' in Yoruba and PE while scoring an 'E' or 'F' in Biology, Chemistry etc won't anyone to study Medicine!


Don't zombies also say SLS has a northern agenda and that he planned to sell the rescued banks to his friends? But then again, let's not take zombies seriously
So the policy on wheat and cassava flour was driven by floods, the rice policy must have come from the flood waters what about the fertilizer revolution? Bros face it, this government is creating massive opportunities for farmers and as you know the vast majority of voters are farmers. So to be honest CPC, ACN and all the other one man Political clubs can have the twitter vote
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Na twitter things na. Oga Nosa also goes by that name. Oga Oracle, google is your friend :-D
How you take relate me join this issue? On a serious note thou, this your post is kind of creepy!!!
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So the policy on wheat and cassava flour was driven by floods, the rice policy must have come from the flood waters what about the fertilizer revolution? Bros face it, this government is creating massive opportunities for farmers and as you know the vast majority of voters are farmers. So to be honest CPC, ACN and all the other one man Political clubs can have the twitter vote
The same twitter group wil attack dis policies on agriculture,complainig dat d price of gari,rice,Bread and sugar have gone up. Some wil even tell u dat some of d policies were introduced so as to help Dangote...Im glad dat some pple are already taking advantage of these and are taking themselves out of poverty.
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The same twitter group wil attack dis policies on agriculture,complainig dat d price of gari,rice,Bread and sugar have gone up. Some wil even tell u dat some of d policies were introduced so as to help Dangote...Im glad dat some pple are already taking advantage of these and are taking themselves out of poverty.
I think someone has written this before
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So the policy on wheat and cassava flour was driven by floods, the rice policy must have come from the flood waters what about the fertilizer revolution? Bros face it, this government is creating massive opportunities for farmers and as you know the vast majority of voters are farmers. So to be honest CPC, ACN and all the other one man Political clubs can have the twitter vote
Again, focus on outcomes!! Apart from the fertilizer policy (which we can debate some other time), nothing substantial was been done to improve productive from arable land. How much of our agriculture is mechanised? What's being done to irrigation? What about good access to transportation for farm produce? Those, in my view, are more important than having a cassava policy. What this policy will achieve is simple, price increase since the supply of cassava will lag demand. this policy does not boost productivity. Now, not is garri more expensive but also bread. How does this benefit anyone? That's why focusing on outcomes is important.

Remember, the beer industry also had a transition like this where they were encourgaed to use local produce. This did not happen overnight, the industry was given time to adjust. Also, a lot of investment/support went into in boosting productivity of sorghum etc.

By the way, have you substituted wheat bread for cassava bread in your household? At least, you must be seen to be supporting govt policy

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Bros, what are you on about? . You dey find trouble


Again, focus on outcomes!! Apart from the fertilizer policy (which we can debate some other time), nothing substantial was been done to improve productive from arable land. How much of our agriculture is mechanised? What's being done to irrigation? What about good access to transportation for farm produce? Those, in my view, are more important than having a cassava policy. What this policy will achieve is simple, price increase since the supply of cassava will lag demand. this policy does not boost productivity. Now, not is garri more expensive but also bread. How does this benefit anyone? That's why focusing on outcomes is important.

Remember, the beer industry also had a transition like this where they were encourgaed to use local produce. This did not happen overnight, the industry was given time to adjust. Also, a lot of investment/support went into in boosting productivity of sorghum etc.

By the way, have you substituted wheat bread for cassava bread in your household? At least, you must be seen to be supporting govt policy

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So the policy on wheat and cassava flour was driven by floods, the rice policy must have come from the flood waters what about the fertilizer revolution? Bros face it, this government is creating massive opportunities for farmers and as you know the vast majority of voters are farmers. So to be honest CPC, ACN and all the other one man Political clubs can have the twitter vote
Iam sure they are always been deceived by the number of followers they see on twitter. They think that the number of followers equate to number of votes. They think for example that if they see 1million followers, it means that they already have 1million voter forgetting that people have several Twitter IDs. I dey laff.
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Iam sure they are always been deceived by the number of followers they see on twitter. They think that the number of followers equate to number of votes. They think for example that if they see 1million followers, it means that they already have 1million voter forgetting that people have several Twitter IDs. I dey laff.
They must have learnt some bitter lessons 4rm ondo election.
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How you take relate me join this issue? On a serious note thou, this your post is kind of creepy!!!
Creepy? Sorry about that. Fear not, I dont work with the SSS. :-D
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Bros, what are you on about? . You dey find trouble


Again, focus on outcomes!! Apart from the fertilizer policy (which we can debate some other time), nothing substantial was been done to improve productive from arable land. How much of our agriculture is mechanised? What's being done to irrigation? What about good access to transportation for farm produce? Those, in my view, are more important than having a cassava policy. What this policy will achieve is simple, price increase since the supply of cassava will lag demand. this policy does not boost productivity. Now, not is garri more expensive but also bread. How does this benefit anyone? That's why focusing on outcomes is important.

Remember, the beer industry also had a transition like this where they were encourgaed to use local produce. This did not happen overnight, the industry was given time to adjust. Also, a lot of investment/support went into in boosting productivity of sorghum etc.

By the way, have you substituted wheat bread for cassava bread in your household? At least, you must be seen to be supporting govt policy

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You're talking like someone that doesn't understand simple economics but fortunately I know you probably know more about economics than I do so it means you're simply opposing for the sake of it.

When deman outstrips supply what happens? Price rises thus making the sector very attractive. From what I'm seeing right now farming is quite possibly one of the most profitable businesses in Nigeria and this would only lead to more farmers. If you know me you'd know I'm a full member of the blackberry, twitter generation but I'm seriously considering taking my life savings and using it to setup a farm, I'm not doing this out of some need to help the economy but from what I'm seeing I stand to make a lot of money, now if more bank workers and city dwellers see what I see they'll set up mechanized farms and the agricultural revolution would have begun.
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It's not about working in the SSS, the thought that you actually sat down and decided that the best use of your time was to google up my twitter handle speaks volumes about you, and the next thing that comes to my head is would I want someone who does this knowing about me? Anyway I've changed my linkedin name so…
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It's not about working in the SSS, the thought that you actually sat down and decided that the best use of your time was to google up my twitter handle speaks volumes about you, and the next thing that comes to my head is would I want someone who does this knowing about me? Anyway I've changed my linkedin name so…
Haba Nosa, this your reply na one kind, one kind, take it easy now.
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It's not about working in the SSS, the thought that you actually sat down and decided that the best use of your time was to google up my twitter handle speaks volumes about you, and the next thing that comes to my head is would I want someone who does this knowing about me? Anyway I've changed my linkedin name so…
LinkedIn? No. You concluded in a haste. On Nairaland, you asked people to follow 'an above average investor' on twitter.
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*Grabs popcorn and coke and settle to watch the wiki-leaks exchanges between Nosa2 and Felz*

First off, I am googling the hell out of Nosa2 and Felz before the start of the Battle Royal...
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They must have learnt some bitter lessons 4rm ondo election.
I don't think they have.
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LinkedIn? No. You concluded in a haste. On Nairaland, you asked people to follow 'an above average investor' on twitter.
Omo, Oga Nosa, dis one na real following...from SMN to nairaland to twitter...Oga Felz even confess say him no need go all the way to LinkedIn...say him don sabi u pass 2X2....
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They must have learnt some bitter lessons 4rm ondo election.
I thought the opposition won!

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You're talking like someone that doesn't understand simple economics but fortunately I know you probably know more about economics than I do so it means you're simply opposing for the sake of it.

When deman outstrips supply what happens? Price rises thus making the sector very attractive. From what I'm seeing right now farming is quite possibly one of the most profitable businesses in Nigeria and this would only lead to more farmers. If you know me you'd know I'm a full member of the blackberry, twitter generation but I'm seriously considering taking my life savings and using it to setup a farm, I'm not doing this out of some need to help the economy but from what I'm seeing I stand to make a lot of money, now if more bank workers and city dwellers see what I see they'll set up mechanized farms and the agricultural revolution would have begun.
When demand is artificially inflated then investments on the supply side is risky. It's an investment in a bubble! This policy does nothing to meet any current unfulfilled demand for cassava. I won't be surprised when it is scrapped.
I'll rather we focus on increased demand by productivity gains and hence lower prices.
All the best with your new venture. We certainly need better agriculture.
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I thought the opposition won!


When demand is artificially inflated then investments on the supply side is risky. It's an investment in a bubble! This policy does nothing to meet any current unfulfilled demand for cassava. I won't be surprised when it is scrapped.
I'll rather we focus on increased demand by productivity gains and hence lower prices.
All the best with your new venture. We certainly need better agriculture.
Bros!!!! Which level!! You can't possibly believe what you just wrote, so the protectionist policy applied in the cement sector won't work? Virtually all countries apply some sort of protection to their agric industry… in fact I don't even know where to start with this your post, are you really willing to say anything in the name of opposition?

If to say na another person talk this one I for just move am go my mental ignore list, but as I said I know you know better but what is really surprising is the lengths you're willing to go to make the government look bad.


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