State of the Nation

[emmanuel ewumi]

Originally Posted by nosa2

Were/are poultry farmers not protected by a ban on importation of chicken? This example flaws your argument

The ban was timed, it became effective some years after it was announced. The poultry farmers including Obasanjo who initiated the policy used the time to embark on capacity building. And the policy did not tell us to substitute pigeon for Chicken. It was a substitution of imported chicken for locally produced ones.

But the current cassava policy, wants to substitute wheat flour for cassava flour. The Minister of Agriculture should tell the bakers to substitute imported wheat flour for locally produced ones.

[nosa2]

Originally Posted by emmanuel ewumi

The ban was timed, it became effective some years after it was announced. The poultry farmers including Obasanjo who initiated the policy used the time to embark on capacity building. And the policy did not tell us to substitute pigeon for Chicken. It was a substitution of imported chicken for locally produced ones.

But the current cassava policy, wants to substitute wheat flour for cassava flour. The Minister of Agriculture should tell the bakers to substitute imported wheat flour for locally produced ones.

Bros which time OBJ time banning? I know a lot about this chicken tin oh, and I no remember any timing, it was debated for about 6 months and then implemented and that's very similar to the way the cassava policy was implemented.

[eniyanman]

Originally Posted by nosa2

What happened in the fruit juice industry? Wasn't it governments policy that protected/encouraged local producers? You're arguing against common sense economics here, artificially increased prices would lead to increases production which in turn would drive down prices and to think you're going to see increased production in an environment of cheap imports is… something made for twitter.

Is fruit juice a staple? Why didn't govt put a punitive duty on the import of concentrates so the fruit industry will increase market share? Of course, I accept we need to protect (for a limited period and not indefinitely) local producers from cheap imports, however, you have failed to demonstrate that wheat is a natural competitor to cassava. Also, unlike fruit juice, there are many other 'natural' uses of cassava which are yet unexploited. Creating artificial demand for it isn't the way to go.

By the way, has the price of fruit juice being reducing since being protected?

[emmanuel ewumi]

Originally Posted by nosa2

Obviously you don't know how the industry works, they all use real fruit but then juice is boiled, to preserve it, it loses taste hence they use concentrate/flavor to give back taste. This explains why 5Alive have a uniform taste.

Well Fumman and Chivita do not use concentrates and preservatives. If you are chanced, i will take you to Chivita factory at Ajao Estate. That is why you need to consume it few hours after opening, if not it gets spoilt.
Where are the concentrates produced? Can you name one fruit concentrate company in Nigeria?

[Oracle]

Originally Posted by emmanuel ewumi

Rather than enforcing cassava bread initiative, they should embark on cultivation of wheat and development of local wheat varieties and species that can do well in our environment.

Is GEJ actually consuming cassava bread at Aso Rock?

If dem like make dem do cassava Milo too! And cassava Bournvita! Also make Unilever try bag cassava peels so that we will drink Lipton cassava tea. The main thing is not just to talk but to do something. This govt. don dey talk talk with minimal action!

[eniyanman]

Originally Posted by emmanuel ewumi

The ban was timed, it became effective some years after it was announced. The poultry farmers including Obasanjo who initiated the policy used the time to embark on capacity building. And the policy did not tell us to substitute pigeon for Chicken. It was a substitution of imported chicken for locally produced ones.

But the current cassava policy, wants to substitute wheat flour for cassava flour. The Minister of Agriculture should tell the bakers to substitute imported wheat flour for locally produced ones.

You got it in one!! Well said.

Next.. cassava biscuits, cassava cakes... Our very own 'cassisserie'

Monday: Cassava bread for breakfast. Fufu for lunch, boiled cassava for dinner
Tuesday: Cassava oats, eba, nothing
Wed: Tapioca, lafun....

[Oracle]

Originally Posted by nosa2

Obviously you don't know how the industry works, they all use real fruit but then the juice is boiled, to preserve it, and it loses it's taste thus they use concentrate/flavor to give it back it's taste. This explains why 5Alive has a uniform taste.

Are you serious about this? I used to think they all use concentrate.

[eniyanman]

Originally Posted by Oracle

Are you serious about this? I used to think they all use concentrate.

Probably referring to preservatives.

[nosa2]

Originally Posted by eniyanman

Is fruit juice a staple? Why didn't govt put a punitive duty on the import of concentrates so the fruit industry will increase market share? Of course, I accept we need to protect (for a limited period and not indefinitely) local producers from cheap imports, however, you have failed to demonstrate that wheat is a natural competitor to cassava. Also, unlike fruit juice, there are many other 'natural' uses of cassava which are yet unexploited. Creating artificial demand for it isn't the way to go.

By the way, has the price of fruit juice being reducing since being protected?

Governments job is not to reduce price but to create the enabling environment for local businesses to thrive thus creating jobs. If you want a government that'll guarantee you cheap prices move to Cuba.

You're right there are other uses of cassava but I don't know how much of those products we consume so I can't plead their case in ignorance and unlike you I trust that our leaders made the right decision in choosing bread

[emmanuel ewumi]

Originally Posted by Oracle

If dem like make dem do cassava Milo too! And cassava Bournvita! Also make Unilever try bag cassava peels so that we will drink Lipton cassava tea. The main thing is not just to talk but to do something. This govt. don dey talk talk with minimal action!

They should first embark on the local production of wheat. Wheat does not do well in our environment. But with the knowledge of Genetic Engineering, Crop science, Agronomy, Ecology and Soil Science our Professors of Agriculture should have developed local wheat varieties.

Wetin dem dey do with their Ph.d, if it can not be relevant to solving our Agricultural problems.

[Oracle]

Originally Posted by emmanuel ewumi

The ban was timed, it became effective some years after it was announced. The poultry farmers including Obasanjo who initiated the policy used the time to embark on capacity building. And the policy did not tell us to substitute pigeon for Chicken. It was a substitution of imported chicken for locally produced ones.

But the current cassava policy, wants to substitute wheat flour for cassava flour. The Minister of Agriculture should tell the bakers to substitute imported wheat flour for locally produced ones.

Very simple. Then let them start by banning the importation right away. The Flourmillers will then choose what to use. Action and less talk!

[goldsun]

Originally Posted by eniyanman

You got it in one!! Well said.

Next.. cassava biscuits, cassava cakes... Our very own 'cassisserie'

Monday: Cassava bread for breakfast. Fufu for lunch, boiled cassava for dinner
Tuesday: Cassava oats, eba, nothing
Wed: Tapioca, lafun....

people dey consume this your formula o only that you've refined some of them. Even i don consume that formula before

[Oracle]

Originally Posted by eniyanman

Probably referring to preservatives.

Concentrates o, Preservatives o, whatever, me I no sabi. My own na to drink beer, shack juice, and let my belly do the chemistry!

[nosa2]

Originally Posted by eniyanman

Probably referring to preservatives.

To preserve juice its boiled, they add concentrate to give taste and companies patent their own taste


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[eniyanman]

Originally Posted by nosa2

Governments job is not to reduce price but to create the enabling environment for local businesses to thrive thus creating jobs. If you want a government that'll guarantee you cheap prices move to Cuba.

You're right there are other uses of cassava but I don't know how much of those products we consume so I can't plead their case in ignorance and unlike you I trust that our leaders made the right decision in choosing bread

Actually, you believe govt should distort the marketplace by introducing artificial barriers and creating oligarchs. I believe govt's role is to provide the environment/incentive to enable us become a cost-effective and highly productive place to do business. This it should do without distorting the market place.

Unlike you, I believe trust is earned!

[Oracle]

Originally Posted by nosa2

To preserve juice its boiled, they add concentrate to give taste and companies patent their own taste

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Do you patent taste?

Patenting a formula that gives a taste is possible but not taste. If my commercial beans(ewa agoyin) taste like coca-cola, so I have infringed on their patent?

Patenting taste is like condom manufacturers patenting pleasure! In both cases how do you measure 'taste' and 'pleasure'? But you can actually patent the ribbing of condoms that gives that pleasure. Ribbing is the primary thing which is measurable but pleasure cannot be measured.

[emmanuel ewumi]

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[Oracle]

Originally Posted by emmanuel ewumi

Well Fumman and Chivita do not use concentrates and preservatives. If you are chanced, i will take you to Chivita factory at Ajao Estate. That is why you need to consume it few hours after opening, if not it gets spoilt.
Where are the concentrates produced? Can you name one fruit concentrate company in Nigeria?

Preservative as the name implies means something which preserves.

If Fumman and Chivita do not use perservatives and you said that it should be consumed few hours after opening, then how do they store it in the containers(paper pack or whatever form)? It means there are preservatives added. Some stay on the shelves for weeks before being bought. And it still doesn't get spoilt.

So I think the firms you mentioned use preservatives!

[Oracle]

Originally Posted by eniyanman

You got it in one!! Well said.

Next.. cassava biscuits, cassava cakes... Our very own 'cassisserie'

Monday: Cassava bread for breakfast. Fufu for lunch, boiled cassava for dinner
Tuesday: Cassava oats, eba, nothing
Wed: Tapioca, lafun....

Laugh wan kill me.

[Oracle]

Originally Posted by goldsun

people dey consume this your formula o only that you've refined some of them. Even i don consume that formula before

If you have, then define KWASHIORKOR!