State of the Nation

[Oracle]

Originally Posted by eniyanman

You got it in one!! Well said.

Next.. cassava biscuits, cassava cakes... Our very own 'cassisserie'

Monday: Cassava bread for breakfast. Fufu for lunch, boiled cassava for dinner
Tuesday: Cassava oats, eba, nothing
Wed: Tapioca, lafun....

Omo na Kwashiorkor you dey invite so!

[babe!]

Originally Posted by nosa2

I can't believe I'm actually seeing intelligent people argue against the cassava policy, I'm flabbergasted!!!!!

#OppositionIHail

oga Nosa, me i wont just let you get away with statements like this...

The way you throw the word "intelligent" around here is for me, wrong, condescending and beginning to be irritating.
there is nothing about intelligence that stipulates that opinion must concur .what matter most is the reason d'etre. the empirical evidence for any opinion/conclusion.
in my own little experience, i have noticed fools are actually more likely to agree on any issues.

This your statement sef is just distracting as it does not add any thing to the argument. At best, its just some form of cheap blackmail and i honestly don't think you should keep referring to some idiosyncratic notion of intelligence.

[Born 2be rich]

Eyptian President. Issues Decree Giving Him Absolute Power


http://www.google.com.ng/url?sa=t&rc...DeQF5WsLYmEHrg

[emmanuel ewumi]

Originally Posted by babe!

oga Nosa, me i wont just let you get away with statements like this...

The way you throw the word "intelligent" around here is for me, wrong, condescending and beginning to be irritating.
there is nothing about intelligence that stipulates that opinion must concur .what matter most is the reason d'etre. the empirical evidence for any opinion/conclusion.
in my own little experience, i have noticed fools are actually more likely to agree on any issues.

This your statement sef is just distracting as it does not add any thing to the argument. At best, its just some form of cheap blackmail and i honestly don't think you should keep referring to some idiosyncratic notion of intelligence.

Thank you very much for this post. I think we need to exhibit decorum and respect whenever people express opinions that differ from ours.

[Oracle]

Originally Posted by Born 2be rich

Eyptian President. Issues Decree Giving Him Absolute Power


http://www.google.com.ng/url?sa=t&rc...DeQF5WsLYmEHrg

I think the absolute power has to do with non-interference from the strong military men Mubarak left behind and not to be used against the people.

[goldsun]

Originally Posted by Oracle

If you have, then define KWASHIORKOR!

my oga no be joke o. We bin dey eat fufu three times in a day almost everyday during Abacha's regime. BTW have you seen kwashiokor in a grown up before

[Oracle]

Originally Posted by goldsun

my oga no be joke o. We bin dey eat fufu three times in a day almost everyday during Abacha's regime. BTW have you seen kwashiokor in a grown up before

Na only adults go chop the food. We wey get pikin nko?

[babe!]

Originally Posted by nosa2

What happened in the fruit juice industry? Wasn't it governments policy that protected/encouraged local producers? You're arguing against common sense economics here, artificially increased prices would lead to increases production which in turn would drive down prices and to think you're going to see increased production in an environment of cheap imports is… something made for twitter.

whenever i see sharply delineated discussion i see it as an opportunity to broaden my view point-
oga Nosa, pls, Since the price increase is artificial, then it cannot last/ or be long term. subsequently, the increase in production will probably be short-lived too.
then what??

[babe!]

Originally Posted by Oracle

Do you patent taste?

Patenting a formula that gives a taste is possible but not taste. If my commercial beans(ewa agoyin) taste like coca-cola, so I have infringed on their patent?

Patenting taste is like condom manufacturers patenting pleasure! In both cases how do you measure 'taste' and 'pleasure'? But you can actually patent the ribbing of condoms that gives that pleasure. Ribbing is the primary thing which is measurable but pleasure cannot be measured.

oga oracle, you wan make moderator say state of nation thread is now rated pg 18?

[Born 2be rich]

Originally Posted by Oracle

I think the absolute power has to do with non-interference from the strong military men Mubarak left behind and not to be used against the people.

I dont fully think so... The Egyptian president on also issued constitutional amendments that placed him above judicial oversight....Meaning he has immunity...i thought immunity only existed in Nigeria.

[Oracle]

Originally Posted by Born 2be rich

I dont fully think so... The Egyptian president on also issued constitutional amendments that placed him above judicial oversight....Meaning he has immunity...i thought immunity only existed in Nigeria.

Then let sauce for the goose(Mubarak) be the same sauce for the gander(Morsi)!

[horlads]

Originally Posted by emmanuel ewumi

Well Fumman and Chivita do not use concentrates and preservatives. If you are chanced, i will take you to Chivita factory at Ajao Estate. That is why you need to consume it few hours after opening, if not it gets spoilt.
Where are the concentrates produced? Can you name one fruit concentrate company in Nigeria?

I beg to disagree...only Funman...and I repeat, Funman uses natural fruit juices and that's because their factory is close to their farm. I think we need to take a step back and ask ourselves why fruit concentrates? And what is fruit concentrate? Fruit concentrate is dewatered fruit juice and it is done to ease transportation of raw materials. If your factory is not near your farm, you won't get economics of scale transporting fruit juice all d way. You have to dewater it. And that's what most of these fruit juice guys do...where d issue of quality arises is how much of d concentrate/original jucie blend is used finally...the likes of dansa uses just concentrates while 5alive uses a blend.

[emmanuel ewumi]

Originally Posted by horlads

I beg to disagree...only Funman...and I repeat, Funman uses natural fruit juices and that's because their factory is close to their farm. I think we need to take a step back and ask ourselves why fruit concentrates? And what is fruit concentrate? Fruit concentrate is dewatered fruit juice and it is done to ease transportation of raw materials. If your factory is not near your farm, you won't get economics of scale transporting fruit juice all d way. You have to dewater it. And that's what most of these fruit juice guys do...where d issue of quality arises is how much of d concentrate/original jucie blend is used finally...the likes of dansa uses just concentrates while 5alive uses a blend.

Chivita uses fresh fruits for their pineapple, orange and orange juice. I know this because i have visited their factory on several occasions. They also have farms in various parts of the country.



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[emmanuel ewumi]

Originally Posted by emmanuel ewumi

Chivita uses fresh fruits for their pineapple, orange and orange juice. I know this because i have visited their factory on several occasions. They also have farms in various parts of the country.



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Do you have your own orchard? If no, are there plans to develop same?

We have more than five hundred work plan and farm land in the North, we are carrying all those step through the Nigeria farming agriculture for our production.

What is the effect of the Nigerian operating business environment on your operations?

I think the environment is very fine, just like any country. There are some problems one has to live and go through, even at the extreme, from 2000 to 2003; the lack of manpower has been a problem. We can say ok the company today is growing among the other competitors. Why is it so? I would say it is because the company is composed, focused and the products have good quality.

[emmanuel ewumi]

Originally Posted by emmanuel ewumi

Chivita uses fresh fruits for their pineapple, orange and orange juice. I know this because i have visited their factory on several occasions. They also have farms in various parts of the country.



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We actually control the fruit juice market, Chivita, Hollandia, Capari son. In fact, we command 65 brands packet .You know that this juice has 0 percent sugar, 0 percent gallant all nature and it is the best you can have. We are not begging for money to produce our products in terms of juice, yoghurt and other products.


Unfortunately the owner of the company an elderly German sold the company to his Indian managers. His children are not interested in the business, they do not understand the economic potentials of the Nigerian market.

[nosa2]

Originally Posted by babe!

oga Nosa, me i wont just let you get away with statements like this...

The way you throw the word "intelligent" around here is for me, wrong, condescending and beginning to be irritating.
there is nothing about intelligence that stipulates that opinion must concur .what matter most is the reason d'etre. the empirical evidence for any opinion/conclusion.
in my own little experience, i have noticed fools are actually more likely to agree on any issues.

This your statement sef is just distracting as it does not add any thing to the argument. At best, its just some form of cheap blackmail and i honestly don't think you should keep referring to some idiosyncratic notion of intelligence.

Well as you yourself highlighted you're assuming that I used the word intelligent in a condescending manner which is wrong, if I had any uterior motives I'd have put it in "". The Two people spearheading the other view point were/are oga Emma and oga eni, oga eni is someone whom I've learnt a lot from and who, believe it or not, Has opinions that I respect thou I also believe he has an agenda against this govt but that doesn't in anyway mean that I look down on him intellectually in fact the opposite is true, I look up to him intellectually especially when it comes to economic issues. As per oga Emma He doesn't come across as an economist but he sure is logical, and while I think his tea drinking advise is ilinformed I definitely don't think he's stupid.

My advise to you is for you not to read meanings into my posts cause most times you'd be wrong, if I want to say something I'll say it worse case scenario I get banned and to be honest with you I was honestly laughing with disbelieve when I made the post in question, I was just trying to highlight my belief that some of the critics of this govt are beginning to turn dogmatic and no matter what the economic sense of the govt actions they'll find/manufacture reasons to rubbish it.

[duduspace]

Originally Posted by nosa2

Well as you yourself highlighted you're assuming that I used the word intelligent in a condescending manner which is wrong, if I had any uterior motives I'd have put it in "". The Two people spearheading the other view point were/are oga Emma and oga eni, oga eni is someone whom I've learnt a lot from and who, believe it or not, Has opinions that I respect thou I also believe he has an agenda against this govt but that doesn't in anyway mean that I look down on him intellectually in fact the opposite is true, I look up to him intellectually especially when it comes to economic issues. As per oga Emma He doesn't come across as an economist but he sure is logical, and while I think his tea drinking advise is ilinformed I definitely don't think he's stupid.

My advise to you is for you not to read meanings into my posts cause most times you'd be wrong, if I want to say something I'll say it worse case scenario I get banned and to be honest with you I was honestly laughing with disbelieve when I made the post in question, I was just trying to highlight my belief that some of the critics of this govt are beginning to turn dogmatic and no matter what the economic sense of the govt actions they'll find/manufacture reasons to rubbish it.

To add to this, intelligent people atimes do or say stupid things a recent high profile example is Cosmas Maduka. But we do know that Oga Nosa's tongue is a bit too razor sharp particularly by Nigerian standards.
Oga Emma's tea thesis is quite funny.

[nosa2]

Originally Posted by babe!

whenever i see sharply delineated discussion i see it as an opportunity to broaden my view point-
oga Nosa, pls, Since the price increase is artificial, then it cannot last/ or be long term. subsequently, the increase in production will probably be short-lived too.
then what??

The fact is that western countries subsidize their farmers so our farmers just can't compete, so it'll always be cheaper to import chicken from France than it would to run a poultry, like wise we can't compete with America on wheat because their governments subsidize these products, so the only way our farmers can survive is if our government cancels out these subsidies by putting high tariffs on the importation of these products. We've been complaining to the WTO for decades but nothing

https://www.commondreams.org/headline/2010/09/29-3

[nosa2]

Originally Posted by emmanuel ewumi

Chivita uses fresh fruits for their pineapple, orange and orange juice. I know this because i have visited their factory on several occasions. They also have farms in various parts of the country.



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How do they standardize taste?

[emmanuel ewumi]

Originally Posted by duduspace

To add to this, intelligent people atimes do or say stupid things a recent high profile example is Cosmas Maduka. But we do know that Oga Nosa's tongue is a bit too razor sharp particularly by Nigerian standards.
Oga Emma's tea thesis is quite funny.

Are you sure? Funny but true. I am currently sipping another cup of my tea.



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