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Hello guys! anyone with a soft copy of the prospectus can pls share with the forum.
Many thanks
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hi Guys,
find attached the abridged prospectus for the Bagco offer. can the guru's digest this and give us some analysis please |
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- 90% of the proceeds is to pay off loans so no expectation of major expansion.. - Current PE is around 18 which is not so great. - Projected PE for 2008 is 22 and then 14 and 13 in 2009 and 2010 respectively. ** If you are into long term investments this may be appealing. I think this is being offered at a premium and the fact that the proceeds are to pay off loans is not encouraging. I will let this one pass.
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Pumping,
From the prospectus, Bagco Group have over the last three years invested N10 billion in the establishment of 2 state of the art polypropylene packaging manufacturing facilities – Bagco in Lagos and Bagco North in Kano. For plants of this capacity, it makes sense that they started a few years ago. One of the plants is due to commence production in 2008. Based on this, I think the N6billion+ they are repaying can be rightly construed as meant for expansion because that is what it is. I will be concerned if they are raising this money now to start building the plants because it would take a few more years before we start to see the effects of the expansion. Note also that there seems to be a strong barrier to market entry because of patent to the technology for producing these bags today. That is like a monopoly. There can never be a shortage for bags because of exisiting markets in cement, construction and commodities industries including the potential demands by Eleme Petrochemical Company. I think its a good buy especially if you are thinking of long term. |
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Guys sack packaging is very profitable now.it seems demand passes supply.and remember that dangote sack company accounts for a large chunk of the revenue in his dangote flour mills.and i feel its the same for flour mills of nigeria.im sure it will pay off in the mid to long term
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my bone of contention is "In what way is bagco better than the other offers in the market?"
Its more expensive than 90% of the offers i have seen recently. (i cannot even remember a more expensive offer except maybe int'l breweries) |
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Someone to enlighting us about when we are receiving Certificate for FBN & Access bank PO
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Did anyone notice the dividend per share for 2008? I don't understand what has been done there. Are they going to do a 100% payout? The calculation isn't even based on the 6bill plus shares that'll be in issue. Or are they saying that investors in the IPO won't benefit from dividend payments in 2008? Did anyone also notice the 10 for 1 bonus given just before the IPO
Amazing! Pls go for Ikeja hotels instead. I'm not that impressed with this IPO -- don't know where anyone got the idea that this is a money spinner
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These Bagco guys are not serious. It clearly shows from the forecast that investors won't be entitled to the 2008 didvdend as it is based on the 4.3 billion shares in issue before the IPO.
These guys are just crazy. There reason for this is that they won't get the proceeds before Jan 2008 meanwhile their year end is December. say they get it by Feb 08, won't they utilise it in 2008? @Squido We are not saying that Bagco is not a good buy rather we are saying it is not attractive enough. For those that can wait till 2009 for 17k, then no problem. At least, it is better than Transcorp Last edited by Apache; 15th November 2007 at 12:21 PM. Reason: Typo error |
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VALUATION
We employed a number of valuation metrics in order to arrive at a fair value for BAGCO. The valuation methods we used are: Maintainable Earnings Valuation , Discounted Future Earnings Valuation , Discounted Free Cash Flow Valuation , Price to Sales Valuation and Price to Book Value Valution. General Assumption Underlying the Valuation Methods. • In our valuation, we used the three-year forecast of BAGCO for the years ending 2008, 2009 and 2010. We also used its five (5)-year historical PATs for the years ended 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006 and 2007. • We applied the inflation rate, as recorded by the National Bureau of Statistics (NBS) as at March of each of the respective years on the 5-year historical earnings in order to bring the earnings to current values. We used 18.08% as the discount rate. We arrived at the discount rate for BAGCO by adding 2.3595%(which is 15% of the cost of equity of NAMPAK).The premim we added is necessary because BAGCO is a private company. In arriving at the discount rate for NAMPAK we used a risk free rate of 9.25% which is the coupon rate on 7-year Federal Government Nigeria (FGN) bond issued in the month of Setptember 2007. We used a beta value of 0.81 derived from the 5-year historical share price and we used a risk premium of 8%. We used the P/E ratio of the NAMPAK which is 16.72x as at November 15, 2007 to capitalise the earnings. Also we discounted the P/E ratio by 15% to arrive at 14.21% because BAGCO was a private company. We used a terminal growth rate of 15%. • We used price to book value multiples and price to sales multiples of 1.71x and 0.93x respectively. That is, the average of the comparables: NAMPAK and Beta Glass. • We used 2,750,000,000 Ordinary Share, which include the bonus of 10 new shares for every 1 share which was approved at the extra-ordinary general meeting held on September 12, 2007 to value the historical performace and 6,215,000,000 shares expected to be in issue after the completion of the ongoing Offer. The result of the various valuation methods are presented on the table below. Taking the simple average of all the valuation methods, we arrive at N4.52 per ordinary share of 50k each which is our final intrisic value (fair value) of BAGCO. The Offer price of N3.90 is at 15.90% discount to the fair value. Comparing the fair value with the forecast earnings per share of the company for 2008, 2009 and 2010 generate P/E ratios of 22.94, 16.19x and 14.57x respectively. . Final recommendation: BUY Source: excerpt from FSDH Executive Summary on BAGCO. |
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Can someone please help clarify this. Is Bagco's financial year end December or March.
bcos, from what i read in the prospectus it says December but i just read an IBTC analysis on the IPO and it says their year end is March. Please who is getting it wrong. |
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let us note that we have only 3 companies in the production line of bags and this company is a subsidiary of flour mills, so i believe that in the long run a lot of money is still to be made in bagco...
Last edited by ayo otesile; 24th July 2012 at 11:25 PM. |
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) and doing some further research, I've come to a different conclusion on this deal. It's a BUY, at least for those interested in the medium to long term investment horizon. Yes, I still don't understand the Dividend computation for 08, and still am not impressed with the 10 for 1 bonus, but this deal is good. See further comments on the nairaland forum (sorry I don't know how to paste the link ). Cheers!
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